Lenders Adding A Prepayment Penalty After Funding
I recently closed a mortgage loan. The loan officer told me there would be no prepayment penalty. When the documents came there was none and the loan funded and closed.Two weeks later I got an e-mail stating some documents had been missed and we need to sign and return them. They contained a new TIL, prepayment rider and addendum.
The original TIL states there is no prepayment penalty. I have not signed these and the lender is telling me I have to because of the compliance agreement.
Is this true?
Talk about scummy behavior!
I wouldn't sign the new documents. As a matter of fact, talk to your state's department of real estate about this behavior immediately. I hope that whoever is responsible for this loses their license to do loans in your state. You also will likely want to consult an attorney, as a precaution. A lender attempting to modify the contract after funding requires your consent. This strikes me as a a good candidate for fraud, depending upon the particulars of the contracts. Explain to them that you would not have signed the documents had this been presented as a condition of your loan funding, and so to attempt to alter the contract ex post facto (after the fact) is, in some cases, grounds for a prosecution based upon fraud.
That contract is a two-sided document, freely agreed to as it originally was by both parties. The fact that the loan funded is evidence of this. I have never heard of needing to sign a pre-payment agreement as a compliance procedure after the fact - except to comply with getting that lender paid more, via the secondary market. A pre-payment penalty adds anywhere from 3 percent of the loan amount up to almost ten percent to the price the lender will receive when they sell your loan, and they probably figured, "Why not try for the extra?" Or they may have intended this from the beginning, giving you a great quote to lure you in, figuring to make their margin with the pre-payment penalty they were hiding. It's amazing and disgusting how often people will sign such documents. Unlikely as this is, if it did happen, boy could you have gotten a great loan out of it.
If lenders could require this sort of thing, they could unilaterally change the agreement any way they want to after funding. So what if you signed a thirty year fixed rate loan at 5.5 percent and paid three points to get it? You new rate is eight percent, "for compliance"! According to everything I know about contract law - which is limited, because I'm not an attorney and you should talk to one - they have no legal grounds to demand this of you.
At the very least, it would be the case that signing these documents is what starts the clock on the the three day right of rescission. That the lender funded the loan before then is evidence of a severe error on their part, and when you rescinded, they would have to restore you to the situation as it existed prior to you signing the original documents. There are also legal issues with the fact that they're trying to alter the Truth In Lending form. If you get a sharp enough attorney and help from your state's regulators, it's very likely that you might get yourself some really significant loan concessions, or possibly even a settlement from the lender.
Every state's laws are different, so you need to talk to your state's department of real estate, and I do strongly recommend consulting an attorney before you draw any lines in the sand, but this is my best understanding of the situation.
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