The Illegal Immigration Debate
Michelle Malkin notes the "peaceful" protest that left the head of the Chicago Minutemen hospital-bound for protesting loans to illegal aliens. I could have told them that banks offering loans to illegal immigrants are nothing unusual, but that doesn't change the fact they were peacefully exercising their rights to protest on public land when they were assaulted.
Michelle Malkin also has coverage of the Los Angeles illegal immigrant's rally.
Wizbang has a take on the illegal alien thing that worth mentioning.
Glenn Reynolds has more thoughts.
Once upon a time, the United States needed all the cheap labor it could get, skilled or unskilled. For unskilled labor, that time is now at least forty years in the past. If we start enforcing our immigration laws, the only thing that will happen to our economy is that employers will start having to pay a little more, which means (in most cases) some things will cost a little more, and more americans will be willing to do those jobs, so the unemployment rate will go down even more.
Furthermore, a nation unable or unwilling to control its borders ceases to be a nation. If those who are claiming this as their homeland are not justifying it under the same terms as the German "drang nach osten" (run it through some search engines), then I must ask why those subject to immigration controls weren't they born here, and thus, citizens? Did their ancestors leave after 1848? Did we throw them out? (The answer to those questions, is, in general, no). The truth is that the illegal immigrant deluge (and Britain and Canada are the second largest group of illegals!) is about economic opportunity. They can make more money here. Take away the employer's incentives to cheat our laws, and they vanish.
I still want to see immigration. We still need a good bit of it. For one thing, without immigrants, we would be almost as badly off as europe because our native born population is declining, too. But I want to see it deliberate, controlled and legal, as opposed to the tragedy of the commons and recipe for domestic terrorism that we have now. If we will not or can not control our border, we are doomed to lose it, and if the thought of operating under the Mexican government isn't enough to scare you, I don't know what would.
It is worth noting that among my wife's family (who wetbacked the Rio Grande in 1916, before doing so was illegal, who marched with Cesar Chavez in the 1960s, and who vote overwhelmingly Democratic), if you pin them down, they want illegal immigration stopped as much as any other group. It hurts the family members who are possessed of lesser skills, by forcing them to compete with low wage illegals. It hurts their chances to bring relatives still living in Mexico across legally. This is one of those things where the attitudes of the masses seems to diverge significantly from that of the self-appointed "hispanic leaders", who want a larger bloc of people that they will control.
Who benefits from cheap illegal labor? Pretty much everyone who isn't competing with it. Those who benefit the most are rich capitalists, who get much cheaper labor while not suffering the increased costs.
I just don't see that the societal value of the gains to the rich capitalists exceeds the societal value of the costs to the relatively unskilled legal residents. Indeed, it makes it ever harder for those who are here legally to get started on their upwardly mobile journey.
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As a business owner who has mexicans as sub contractors and who pays them the same as any other sub contractor, I am really ticked off by this new concept that business owners will pay fines for hiring illegals. For one, we have only the information they supply us with, such as drivers liscences, social security cards etc. My question is WHY should business owners be fined by a government who has given more to the illegals than anyone. They give upon request medicare for teenage pregnant girls who come into town on that same day. The welfare offices and social service offices are wall to wall with unwed girls and women who want us to pay for their babies the moment they hit town. Our motor vehicle offices give drivers liscences and liscence plates out dailey to people who come in with one set of papers and pass them back and forth between 20 people. Our insurance companies give out
insurance to these same people who then get our state tags and then move on to another state with higher insurance costs. The police know that these people live in their town and have a different liscence tags for another state and nothing is done about it. So the way it looks to me is that all our government agencies give out needed items and money to people they know are illegal,BUT now this same government wants business owners to do all the neccesarry investigating (that which the government won't do) and to make absolutley sure that who we hirer is legal, now remember we get the same identification that the government agencies get, but we are going to be fined if this person turns out to be illegal.
I would love to see business owners who are going to be fined to band together and hit the media with this rediculous new idea the government has hatched to make it look like they are trying to get a handle on the illegal situation.
Every day all the political bull that hits the news is about our politicians trying to find a way to defuse a very poorly handled problem with a group of people who think if they sneak into this country illegally they have rights. They don't have the same rights that citizens do, and until this is hammered into their heads that they will only have those rights if they go through the right process to be legal. Watching mexicans demonstrate demanding to have the same rights as citizens and watching them fly their mexican flags makes me wonder what country are we really in. My last little burp is going to be on language. In the USA it is English, not Spanish, German, Italian etc. Its English!!!! And I despise seeing Spanish bill boards . Since I live in the US and I can read and write, I really think I should only see English language bill boards. I would expect to see other languages in other countries not here. When do the american people get off their lazy complaining butts and organize a march to take back our old way of life.
DM: This is a classic "Tu quoque" fallacy. Furthermore, there's some of "begging the question" in it as well, as the reason they come here is because people will hire them for more than they could make. Furthermore, the government has now given you the tools to conduct this investigation. You could always verify that the name matches the social. You could always verify "right to work". You just don't want to. Now they even have a modern computerized system available. It's rationalizing like this that has encouraged this tragedy of the commons to become as large a problem as it has.