Short Sale Negotiators and the Interests of Potential Buyers
I am seeing a very disturbing trend these past few months. Rather than do the work they should be doing, listing agents are treating the entire short sale process as a kind of "Black Box", delegating the negotiations with the lender to a negotiations firm, treating the negotiation firm's advice as if it were handed down from on high, and expecting buyers (and their agents) to blindly follow along in profound indifference to the buyer's interest. Sadly, they're getting a lot of cooperation from buyer's agents who should know better but are acting more like sperm donor agents than real agents.
I have seen the following demands from these knuckleheads in the past couple of months:
- trying to require buyers to pay repairs, termite etc before they own a property, when in fact the transaction may never come off
- requiring buyers to pay the negotiation firms that they had no role in hiring, because the lenders allegedly won't allow it to come out of sale proceeds. Maybe you should take the hint the lenders are giving you - these negotiators and their recommendations do not serve the interests of any of the three principals to a short sale transaction. The interests they serve are those of a lazy (and horrible) listing agent
- Agreeing to keep the offer open at least sixty days without an accepted purchase contract
The answer to any of these demands is short, simple, and to the point: No.
You want my client to pay for repairs to a property they don't own (and most often the sellers don't want to take it off the market)? How can agreeing to this not be a violation of buyer fiduciary interest?
You want my buyer to give keep an offer open two months without a valid purchase contract?
You want my buyer to pay a firm that they have no role in hiring and does nothing to represent their best interests?
First off, ladies and gentlemen, if you don't have a valid purchase contract, the thing to do is walk away. There is a world of difference between "offer accepted pending lender approval of short sale" and "we have submitted your offer to the lender" In the first case, you have a contract with one contingency - kind of like a loan or inspection contingency on the buyer's side, only from the seller's side instead. Nothing wrong with that. Transactions with seller contingencies happen every day. But it also means you have an accepted offer. There can be only one accepted offer, and once there is an accepted offer, the property needs to be removed from the market and no other offers may be considered until this one falls apart. In other words, the seller is stuck with the buyer every bit as much as the buyer is stuck with the seller.
But if you don't have an accepted offer, what you have is "Hope I get it". Kind of like the Little Engine That Could, except there is no defined end to the process and it's not under your control. It's just repeat the mantra of "Hope I get it' until you get told that you didn't. That choice of phrasing was very considered, by the way. Under this scenario, listing agents submit multiple offers to the bank - a recipe for disaster if ever there was one from both the perspective of the buyer and the seller. If the bank keeps getting offers, what are they going to do? That's right, keep the property on the market hoping for a better offer. Whereas if you show them some hard back and forth negotiation and one or more prospective buyers dropping out of the process until only one is left, that's good evidence that that is all the property is worth.
Understand this in your bones: That short sale lender wants one thing above all else: Their money. As much of their money as they can possibly arrange to get back. The owner's job transfer, illness, etcetera, are not their problem. That lender needs to see conclusive evidence that there is no way they are getting any more money out of this property and this owner before they will approve the short sale. They need to understand that this is all the market will support, and that the current owner cannot pay them any additional money, and that if they don't get off their fat backsides and approve this pronto, not only are they going to end up with less money when this buyer walks, but they're going to have to pay the expenses of getting it sold as well as the penalties for having a nonperforming asset on their books.
The way to approach that is to negotiate hard with prospective buyers, as if the lender weren't part of the picture. The best evidence that this is what the property is worth is that you tried to convince multiple people to offer more, and this one you picked is the one that's the best for the lender. Submitting more than one offer to the lender is a recipe for Delay and two different forms of Denial from that lender. They are going to want to wait until they get still more offers.
The lenders do have a secondary concern to getting their money, and that is time. It may be difficult to believe for agents and buyers and sellers who wait three months waiting for the bank to make up their mind, but the bank really would rather move quickly. Time costs them more money. It's just that most listing agents do not and will not do the work of actually getting the offer approved by the short sale lender - which they accepted responsibility for when they took that listing. "Short sale specialist" means a lot more than hiring a negotiating firm!
This nonsense about asking buyers to fork over cash for repairs before closing, asking them to keep offers open without an acceptance of that offer, and asking them to agree to pay the negotiating firm are all things that an appropriately represented buyer is going to ask for concessions for. Concessions on price, concessions on indemnification, concessions just for putting up with the ridiculous nonsense on stilts. This all translates to the buyers who are well-qualified and have plenty of resources walking away, while the ones who are marginal or even below qualification level are perfectly willing to hang around in the hope that a miracle will happen. What else this means is that the property sells for a lower price. But the Broker's Price Opinion has no way to reflect these unattractive things making the property worth less to the buyers. It is therefore going to come in higher than the sales price. So we have two additional ways that the transaction falls apart because the listing agent couldn't do the correct thing in the first place. With stuff like this happening, is it any mystery why four out of five short sales fail? Is it any wonder that the better buyer's agents advise their clients to avoid short sales?
Short sales done correctly are really pretty much like regular sales, albeit with one long, difficult and thoroughly unpleasant step added. But what happens before that step shouldn't be any different for a short sale than any other property. Nor should what comes after be any different, except that the seller cannot get any cash out of the deal. The one extra step that is actually necessary does impact buyer desirability, but not nearly so much as all of the unnecessary nonsense (euphemism alert!) that some listing agents insist upon adding.
All of this is, incidentally, one more piece of evidence that most major real estate brokerages are built around the seller and listing property for sale for minimum effort on their part, especially of any actual licensed agent involved. The buyer can go hang. In some cases, literally. No buyer's agent worth what comes out of the south side of a northbound cow is going to counsel their buyers to put up with this stuff, at least not without a lot of concessions including a major downwards adjustment on price (and as I covered above, the lenders will deny such sales when the broker's price opinion comes in too high). But people still keep calling listing agents about their property without having a buyer's agent to advise them. Given that, the agents think they'll find some clueless victim to sell it to. All too often, someone proves them right. In the meantime, like Tina Teaser, the worthless listing agent who is really impeding the sale of the property uses the listing to make contact with as many buyers as possible.
Buyers can't force sellers to sell, much less to sell to them in particular. But sellers and listing agents shouldn't be blind to things that cause buyers to walk away or to be willing to pay less simply because the sellers are not getting cash out of the deal. Especially in a short sale situation. They may not get cash, but soon enough they will be back to getting 1099s for forgiveness of debt, a taxable event. Every dollar they can prevent the lender from losing is going to help them.
The general statistic is that one short sale in five actually comes off. Given the nonsense listing agents expect buyers to put up with, it's no wonder that buyers getting disgusted and walking away is right at the top of the list of reasons for fall out. Sellers need that buyer - without a buyer, they don't have a sale, and nobody sells their property on a short sale without a need. Nor does this nonsense on stilts motivate the bank to get off their backside and approve the short sale. Quite the opposite, actually.
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What are some good exit strategies for buyers of short sales who want to turn around and sell to someone else?
DM: Not going to happen, because until the lender approves the short sale, you don't have a purchase contract. Anyone offered something like that to one of my clients, I would advise running away. What happens when the lender doesn't approve the sale?
How much less should a buyer offer for a short sale if the house needs a little work. For example, paint in all rooms, holes in walls fixed, tile in bathroom closet redone, an unfinished rec room (even though the square footage does not contain the bonus room), pressure washing, outside lawn/landscape, etc. My husband and I saw a home we really like but the price listed is $175000. Homes in the neighborhood are going for around $150000 to $200000 depending on the sq footage.
Is an offer of $160000 and we pay closing too low or is the bank really wanting to get rid of the home (the home is "back on the market", another buyer must have fell through)?
This maybe a question that you cannot answer, but its worth a try!
Thanks!
Please get yourself a buyer's agent. You're about to spend a six figure amount and put yourself in debt so far as to likely require thirty years of it being your biggest bill and you're asking questions on the level of "What do we do with the bat and the ball?"
Dan: why do listing agents submit more than one offer to the lender? Theoretically the lsiting agent should want the deal to close as quickly as possible as well. And you would recommend walking from any deal where multiple offers have been submitted to lender? Seller has not even received Notice of Default yet, so there is a LONG road ahead and naturally buyer is completely frustrated already. Our offer was submitted on 9/17 and 2 offers were submitted to the bank 9/18....RUN dont walk from this one?
Dan- do you have or have you seen a step by step guide outlining (in detail) the short sale process and what SHOULD happen along the way with timelines...and what CAN happen Thank you
Kim in Phoenix
If such a thing existed, there would be so many exceptions as to render it useless. One of the reasons you need an agent is because there are no cut and dried rules, and the agent should have the professional judgment to understand how to deal with the variations that happen with every single one
I think they submit multiple offers to the lender because they are confused as to who the owner of the property is. The owner of that property is the individual trying to get out from under that mortgage without going through the process of foreclosure. That is their client. You're supposed to negotiate a deal between buyer and seller, THEN sell the lender on it. Other offers are evidence as to why this is the best offer they are going to get - they are not something to offer the lender. The lender is not the owner, at least not yet.
However, if you're an agent who has forgotten how to negotiate, or never knew how, throwing mud at the wall seems like a good tactic. Or that's the way such people appear to think, at least to me
It's possible you might get the property but I wouldn't stop looking if I were you.
I am a buyer, in the middle of a short sale negotiation. I have a signed contract with the seller. They are working with their 1st & 2nd on the agreement. My lender just did an appraisal and I see that a lot of the landscaping has been removed, palms, ferns, and bird of paradise. Is that allowed? The landscape was part of the buying point. It was advertised in the listing agent’s photos of the house. Who knows now what else has been taken. What should we do? We really like the house and the location and want to stick it out but can the seller go back in and does stuff like this?
Any comments (other than run from a short sale) would be appreciated.
Thanks
In California, this would likely be grounds for voiding or renegotiating the contract. I am not a lawyer, and I'm definitely not even familiar with most other states law (so talk to a lawyer licensed in your state), but landscaping is attached to the land in the same way as the house itself. It's not personal property, in general - it's part of the real property they are selling. So no, they're not really allowed to do that. On the other hand, you need to decide what you're going to do about it. If you don't do anything, well they got away with it, didn't they?
You don't mention what your buyer's agent is telling you. So my guess is that you don't have one. This is one comparatively minor reason why you need one, but it's likely to be too late now